Budúce tehuľky s endometriózou
Tak babulky je tu nova tema....ktora znaci ze budeme tehulky cochvila. Porazime tu neprijemnu endometriozu 😠
Tak co Libi, Lenocka moze byt? 🙂
Stručné zhrnutie
- Zoladex sa v diskusii uvádza ako 3‑mesačná injekčná liečba po laparoskopii na potlačenie endometriózy a pacientky sa po jej ukončení často snažia otehotnieť čo najskôr.
- Laparoskopia sa používa na odstránenie cýst, ložísk a zrastov; v diskusii sa spomína aj možná kontrolná („second‑look“) laparoskopia, pričom názory na jej užitočnosť sa líšia.
- Podporné postupy spomínané v diskusii zahŕňajú stimuláciu ovulácie Clostylbegytom (konkrétna schéma), injekcie na vyvolanie ovulácie/menštruácie, IVF a bylinné prípravky ako Valoflur, Feminan a čaje s myším chvostom, alchemilkou alebo imelom bielym.
Najčastejšie otázky
Q: Ako dlho trvá liečba Zoladexom a kedy po nej očakávať menštruáciu?
A: V diskusii sa Zoladex uvádza ako trojmesačná injekčná liečba; viaceré príspevky spomínali návrat menštruácie približne 70–90 dní po poslednej injekcii, no skúsenosti boli individuálne (u niektorých žien sa menštruácia vrátila skôr alebo vôbec).
Q: Má zmysel robiť „second‑look“ (kontrolnú) laparoskopiu po počiatočnej laparoskopii a liečbe?
A: Laparoskopia je bežná na odstránenie cýst a ložísk; niektorí lekári odporúčajú kontrolnú laparoskopiu, zatiaľ čo viacero diskutujúcich ju považovalo za spornú kvôli riziku vzniku ďalších zrastov.
Q: Ako vyzeral konkrétny protokol stimulácie ovulácie s Clostylbegytom opísaný v diskusii?
A: Diskutujúca opisovala: od 3. dňa cyklu 5 dní po 2 tablety Clostylbegytu denne, 10. deň folikulometria, 11. deň jednorazovo 2 injekcie na vyvolanie ovulácie a od 13. dňa 2+2+2 tablety „zo spodu“ na podržanie tehotenstva.
Q: Aké bylinné prípravky a doplnky ženy v diskusii používali na podporu plodnosti pri endometrióze?
A: Spomínané boli Valoflur (bylinné kvapky), Feminan (obsahuje alchemilku, nechtík lekársky, jarabinu vtáčiu), Herbex Myší chvost (sáčky/čaj), imelo biele, alchemilka, myší chvost, kyselina listová a vitamín E.
Q: Kedy sa odporúča začať s IVF po liečbe Zoladexom?
A: V diskusii sa názory líšili; niektorá diskutujúca odporučila začať IVF približne 2 mesiace po ukončení liečby, iné pacientky a lekári volia individuálny postup podľa stavu po liečbe.
Q: Aké riziká pri stimulácii pri IVF alebo hormonálnej liečbe boli spomenuté?
A: Diskutujúce upozorňovali, že hormonálna stimulácia a IVF môžu viesť k vzniku alebo zhoršeniu cýst, a že každý zásah je individuálne rizikový.
Závery z diskusie
Zhoda
- Zoladex sa v praxi používa ako trojmesačná injekčná liečba po laparoskopii na potlačenie endometriózy.
- Laparoskopia sa rutinne využíva na odstránenie cýst, ložísk a zrastov.
- Pacientky kombinujú medicínske postupy (Clostylbegyt, injekcie, IVF) s bylinnými a výživovými doplnkami (kyselina listová, vitamín E, myší chvost, alchemilka).
Sporné názory
- Kontrolná („second‑look“) laparoskopia: časť diskusie ju odporúča ako kontrolu stavu, iná časť ju považuje za zbytočnú a potenciálne škodlivú kvôli tvorbe ďalších zrastov.
- Bylinné prípravky (Valoflur, Feminan): niektoré ženy uviedli subjektívne zlepšenie, iné varovali pred zhoršením príznakov alebo nedostatkom jasných dôkazov účinnosti.
- Odstránenie poškodeného vajcovodu: možnosť ponechať vs. odstrániť vajcovod bola diskutovaná ako alternatíva s protichodnými názormi.
Otvorené otázky
- Ako merateľne zvyšujú Valoflur alebo Feminan šancu na otehotnenie pri endometrióze?
- Koľko mesiacov po ukončení Zoladexu je optimálne čakať pred začatím IVF?
- Má druhá (kontrolná) laparoskopia klinický prínos prevyšujúci riziko nových zrastov?
Spomenuté značky a firmy
Valoflur, Feminan, Herbex, Zoladex, Lucrin, Clostylbegyt, Gynex, Ibalgin, Algifen, Orofar, Anopyrin, Magister
Spomenuté produkty a metódy
Zoladex (3‑mesačná injekčná liečba), Lucrin, Clostylbegyt (schéma: od 3. dc 2 tbl x5 dní; 10. dc folikulometria; 11. dc 2 inj. na vyvolanie ovulácie; od 13. dc 2+2+2 tbl „zo spodu“), injekcie na vyvolanie menštruácie/ovulácie, laparoskopie, second‑look laparoskopie, IVF, Valoflur (bylinné kvapky), Feminan (alchemilka, nechtík lekársky, jarabina vtáčia), Herbex Myší chvost (čaj/sáčky), imelo biele, alchemilka, myší chvost, kyselina listová, vitamín E, vitamín B6, železo, homeopatia, Ibalgin/ibuprofen, Algifen, Anopyrin (kyselina acetylsalicylová), antibiotiká, relaxačná hudba
Miesta a osoby
Pezinok, SR
a vobec ponk to je tvoj názor a nikto ti ho neberie..
ahojte budúce tehulky,. prajem peknú nedelu a veji dík za vírusíky 😉
janis, libeth...leti to mate pravdu sama nechapem... 😀 ale teraz sa mi to uz vlecie..a maly sa menej hybe tak hocikedy ma prepadne panika..ale asi uz ma malo miesta...uz sa tesime ked budeme maleho ericka mat v naruci...
sue..no s velkym bruskom je uz moc...uz by som isto isla rodit...ved uvidis a to si neviem predstavit mat v brusku dvojicky 😀 😵
babulky prajem vam vsetkym brusiska ako svet 😀 😀 😀 😵 😵 😵 😵
to si raz taká široká karameli, hotová vzducholoď 😀 😀 😀 😀 a u nás jedna mala trojičky, od 6,5mesiaca musela už len ležať také brušisko mala 😵
a nedelny dezert 😀 😵 😵
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peknu nedelu 😵 😵 😵 😵
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa zase som tu len ja na tie vírusy karameli, to je náhodička že 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
no mirip uz sa mi zle sedi a bolieva ma chrbat a uz aj tie kontrakcie sem tam pridu no uz je to otrava...no a aj tie kila navyse..ale nie je tozasa take strasne 😀
ved už to máš za pár.......... tak už to nejako prežiješ, len to ti verím že s takým brušiskom tieto teploty, nie je žiadna slasť ale na konci bude za to odmena.... 😉
ved práve, myslím že tie čo majú baby, myslím rodia na neskorú jar, tak v máji a tie čo jún, júl august to nemajú lahké aj kvoli teplotám aj kvoli hojeniu rán po porode ale majú výhodu že možu ísť sa baby aj skor von, kdežto v zime sa všetko skor hojú aj vysoké štádium tt sa lepšie prežíva ale zase baby nemože ísť von dlho
najlepsie je to podla mna na jar a to leto tiez celkom v poho..lepise ako v zime...som rada ze mi to vyslo takto ale keby to bolo uz teraz bolo by este lepsie ale najlepsie je jasne to ze babatko bude a to je jedno kedy....
aj v zime sa dobre rodí my sme boli vonku každý den aj v zime oli chcel spinkat len vonku a potom v lete uz pekne sedkal a obzeral sa za babami všetko ma svoje pre aj proti 😉 🙂
karamelinka nech sa ti lahučko rodí už to maš len za par 🙂 😉 i ked chlapci su lenivy a občas sa im nechce ist vonku poznam z vlastnej skusenosti 😉
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tak a som tu sama a vírusiky od vejinky som si pochytala ale niečo nechám aj vám nebojte sa 😉 a ked nie tak vejinka zas pride a zavirusikuje to tu 🙂 😵
neviem či budem rano stihat ale asi nie tak sa držte a ja sa ozvem ked ma pustia z nemocnice pa pa kocky 🙂
fiha tu je to zasa poriadne zavirene, parada... Moj drahy vcera videl taky uzasny kocik pre dvojicky a dve hodiny sa z toho nemohol spamatat a normalne ho chytila myslienka ze my tiez musime mat dvojicky.... Teraz neviem ci sa mam tesit alebo bat 😅 😀 😀 😀 😀
Inak krasne povikendove ranko zelam vsetkym, hlasia 35 tak sa asi budeme trosku potit v robotke, ale u nas to momentalne vyzera na riadnu burku...
Dneska drzime palceky lenand nech vsetko hladko prebehne. A dufam, ze aj monik sa nam coskoro ohlasi... 😉
tak kočky idem už zajtra doobedu ma budu operovat potom sa ozvem asi až v piatok tak pa pa 🙂
dobre ranko prajem 😵
lenand, drzim paluchy nech to dobre dopadne 😵 😵 😵 budeme dnes na teba mysliet.
pozdravujem vas od Moniky 😵 a je velmi rada, ze na nu vsetky myslime 😉 dufam, ze bude coskoro OK a pride sem 😉 Moniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiik 🙂
teda babulky, dnes ste ake vcelicky usilovne 😀 asi len ja nemam do coho pichnut 😅 😀
ahoj libi 😉 No ja som si tiez z rana myslela, ze bude volnejsie, ale nevyslo... 😅
Inak aky bol vikend?
jej ahoj janis, takze tu niesom sama 😉
vikend, v sobotu sme grilovali a v nedelu som isla k nasim sa opalovat 😎 a prisla som so spalenym dekoltom 😅 ale uz sa mi to stiahlo, nesvieti to tak.... 😀 a dokoncovala som si stranku, konecne. 😵
a ty ako?
no ja som sa tiez mierne pripiekla 😀 Mali sme tu u nas v amfiku folklorne slavnosti, takze cely vikend tam, domov sme prisli tak okolo piatej rana, tak som este trosku nevyspata a mam roztiahnuty zaludok, lebo som sa straaasne prejedala, ach jaj... 😅
Aku stranku si dokoncovala?
poslala som ti, snad ti to pojde 😅
ale aspon si sa dobre zabavila, ja by som tiez prijala sa dobre vyblaznit, som sa tesila aspon na majales a ani ten nebol, skoda.
waaaw libi ja nemam slov, normalne som na par minut prestala dychat, neviem opisat tie sprievodne pocity, proste z tych fotiek sala uzasny pokoj a energia, je tam strasne citit, ze clovek to robi s laskou... 😵 😵 😵
si nam normalne venovala zahony... 😉 dakujeme.
Tie cicusky su nadherne tiez, strasne zlatucke.
Ked sa budem potrebovat ukludnit alebo zrelaxovat, viem ktoru stranku si mam otvorit, vdaka. 😵
jeeeeeeeeej janis, to som rada, ze sa ti paci. Pre mna je to velky relax, postupne si to doplnam, prerabam, mozno bude casom z toho nieco uplne ine, alebo aj nic, ale mam aspon nieco comu sa venujem a hlavne na com sa ucim, knihy k tomu nemam cas citat, a tak ked nieco neviem tak mi to aj patricne dlho trvaaaaaaa 😀
si ma velmi potesila 😵 dakujem 😵 😵 😵
ahojteeee
libi nadhera 😵 😵 x-je ako stvorena na relax a nacerpanie sil a pokoja 😵 No nemam slov, kraaasa 😵 😵 😵 😵
babulky ahojteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😵 😵 😵 😵
ja absolutne nestiham, chcem len pozdravit, ze ako mi chybate, a libi - aj ja scem link na oazu pokoja 😀 😀 vecer si to pozriem na ukludnenie 🙂
paaaaaa moje!!!!
ahojte nie pink, to je hlúposť, len som mala zatial šťastie na všeliakých namyslených doktorov ktorý ťa berú ako kus a nie normálne ako pacienta ktorý má nejaký problém až na tohoto