Ako otehotnieť a zároveň sa nezblázniť
Ahojte vsetky zvedavky a buduce mamicky. Tuto temu som chcela zalozit uz dlhsi cas pre vsetky tie, ktore po case (to je jedno, ci po mesiacoch alebo rokoch) prestalo bavit donekonecna rozoberat, preco este nie su tehotne. Pre tie, ktore modrykonik takpovediac a nechtiac trosku znudil, lebo vypadli z diskusie, lebo nestihali vsetko citat, alebo sa im nikto nevenoval alebo preto, lebo zacali byt skratka strasne deprimovane z toho, ze este stale nie su tehotne. Tuto temu som chcela zalozit pre NAS, ktore sa najdu v nizsie uvedenych riadkoch. Pre tie zeny, ktore chcu od diskusie viac nez len uistovanie, ze „tentoraz si uz urcite v tom“. Samozrejme nam drzim palce, ale nezabudajme –
Fazulke sa viac zapaci mamicka - pohodacka, nez vystresovana snazilka
Idealny stav:
1. Ked dostanem menzes, neplacem. Som rada, ze ho mam, som zena, mam maternicu, mam cyklus! Hura. Postazujem sa na krce, na drahe vlozky, pochvalim sa novoobjavenymi tamponmi.
2. Necitim sa previnilo, ked sa mi napriklad v sobotu nechce vstavat o siestej (ako pravidelne cez pracovny tyzden) a odmerat si bazalku. Radsej si pospim, budem mat dobru naladu a potom nasilnim partnera 🙂 Krcok skumam (ak viem), ale neanalyzujem, ci je dostatocne tvrdy alebo makky. Je taky, aky ma byt, ci je hore, alebo dole, podla toho, v akom som leveli 🙂 Hlien sa niekedy nesledovat neda...
Ale neprehanam to, viem, ze krcok ani hlien nie je jedinym indikatorom ovulacie alebo tehotenstva...
3. Nemam velke vycitky, ked si dam vinko alebo idem s kamosmi na pivo... Vyresetujem si trosku hlavu, citim sa prijemne, sebavedomo a sexy, zabavam sa, neriesim pracovne problemy, vyplacem (vygrciam) sa. Viem, ze to nie je zdrave, ale extremizmus nepestujem a partnera sameho v krcme pre istotu nenecham 🙂
Dolezite je nemenit kvoli tuzbe otehotniet svoje navyky natolko, aby to posobilo na psychiku ako blok.
4. Ak mam chut urobit si ovulacny alebo tehotensky test, urobim si ho. Samozrejme ocakavam pozitivny vysledok, lebo CHCEM mat dieta, ale stale mam na mysli, ze sanca je presne 50:50. Preto po spravnom odcitani vysledku necakam, ze sa tam ta ciarka o hodinu zazrakom zjavi, alebo zosilnie, ale test vyhodim a neriesim. Lutujem len vyhodene peniaze (drogeria dm - tehotensky test za 1,33€)... Povolene je odkladat si ovu testy, ale tehotenske vyhadzujem a nevytlacam druhu ciarku kadzu hodinu!
5. Snazim sa zit bezny zivot. Ked do mna niekto rype s otazkou, ze kedy budem tehotna, tak so stoickym kludom odpovedam, ze „neviem“, „ktovie“, „uvidi sa“, ked sa podari“ alebo pouzijem akukolvek vlastnu vtipnu odpoved. Nedam na sebe znat, ze ma to trapi, ze mi lezie pytajuci sa na nervy... Je zvedavy, ako aj ja 🙂 Ale: ked to pride, tak to pride a raz to na mne predsa urcite uvidi!
Je milion tem, o ktorych sa da bavit. O praci, pocasi, politike, vareni, kozmenike, snoch, planoch a sexe... Je toho naozaj dost, cim sa da zamestnat hlava. Je nas tu naozaj pozehnane, kazda z nas je uplne ina, specificka. Roznorodost zivotov nas bude spajat tak, ako aj snaha otehotniet. No nielen to. Spajat nas bude aj fakt, ze otehotnenie je sucastou nespocitatelneho mnozstva nahod a „motylich efektov“ a my, mudre zeny, si to uvedomujeme. Vieme, ze laska, priroda alebo boh je najsilnejsim carodejnikom a tak si chceme uzivat zivot, radosti aj strasti. Chceme sa vasnivo milovat, chceme lubit a pachat dobre skutky. Chceme plakat, zurit, nadavat. To vsetko patri k zivotu. Chceme sa obzrat, chceme dietovat. Chceme ponocovat, ale chceme aj lenosit. Chceme predsa vsetko, uplne vsetko, co nas nevytiahne zo zivota s obrovskou nalepkou SNAZILKA. Nechceme vycnievat z radu, vytrcat, nechceme sa neustale strazit a kontrolovat, analyzovat a donekonecna dufat, ze „co ak“... Sme silne a nechceme si presda rozbit vztah, nechceme byt pre manzela len „buducou tehulkou“. Chceme byt partnerkami, milenkami, kamaratkami, a ked jedna z funkcii otehotnie 🙂, tak si to vychutname tak, ako nic ine na svete.
Nemajme vycitky, ze chodime na konika. Nasi partneri si konecne mozu vydychnut, lebo okrem otehotnenia zbierame v tejto teme rady a skusnosti prekvapivo aj v inych oblastiach. Budme internetove kamosky, ktore nespaja iba tuzba mat dieta, ale aj ine spolocne temy alebo nazory...
Heslo: www.mudrykonik.sk
Stručné zhrnutie
- Pri snažení o otehotnenie účinne pomáhajú sledovanie ovulácie pomocou LH/ovu testov, pozorovanie hlienu a krčka, meranie bazálnej teploty a pravidelný sex v cykle; online nástroje ako FertilityFriend používajú mnohé ženy na zaznamenávanie týchto údajov.
- Gynekologické vyšetrenia a vyšetrenia partnera (spermiogram/andrológia) sú bežné kroky pri neúspešnom snažení; diagnostika zahŕňa laparoskopiu pri podozrení na endometriózu a andrologické hodnotenie pri podozrení na poruchy spermií.
- Lieky a intervencie spomínané v diskusii zahŕňajú hormonálnu stimuláciu (Menopur/HMG, Pregnyl, Profasi, Pergonal, APL), klomifén (Clostyl), Fostimon, Duphaston, antibiotikum Monural pri infekcii a asistované metódy ako IVF a KET; niektoré lieky obsahujú hCG a môžu ovplyvniť výsledok tehotenského testu.
Q: Ako spoľahlivo zistiť ovuláciu?
A: LH test detekuje predovulačný pík 24–36 hodín pred ovuláciou; doplnkovo ženy v diskusii sledovali hlien, polohu krčka a bazálnu teplotu (BT) a zapisovali údaje do nástrojov ako FertilityFriend.
Q: Môže cysta na vaječníku spôsobiť pozitívny tehotenský test?
A: Áno, v diskusii boli spomenuté luteálne cysty ako schopné produkovať hCG a dať falošne pozitívny test, zatiaľ čo folikulárna a dermoidná cysta typicky hCG neprodukujú.
Q: Ktoré lieky môžu dávať falošne pozitívny tehotenský test?
A: V diskusii bola citovaná informácia, že lieky obsahujúce hCG (napr. Pregnyl, Profasi, Pergonal, APL) môžu spôsobiť falošné pozitívne výsledky.
Q: Aká je odporúčaná dĺžka abstinencie pred spermiogramom?
A: V diskusii sa uvádza odporúčanie maximálne 4–5 dní pred spermiogramom; niektoré ženy uviedli dlhšie abstinencie (10 dní až mesiace) a rôzne výsledky, avšak bežné odporúčanie je 4–5 dní.
Q: Kedy je laparoskopické vyšetrenie indikované pri podozrení na endometriózu?
A: Diskutujúce uviedli, že laparoskopiou (LSK) sa endometrióza potvrdzuje na 100 % a že liečba závisí od rozsahu ložísk; pri malých ložiskách sa môže použiť HAK, pri rozsiahlych môže nasledovať polročná liečba injekciami alebo chirurgické odstránenie.
Q: Ktoré konkrétne lieky a procedúry sa v diskusii spomínali pri stimulačných protokoloch a liečbe neplodnosti?
A: Spomínané lieky a procedúry zahŕňali Menopur (vysoko čistený humánny menopauzálny gonadotropín HMG), Pregnyl, Profasi, Pergonal, APL, Clostyl (klomifén), Fostimon/Fostymon, Duphaston, Monural (jednorazový prášok na pitie pri podozrení na močovú infekciu), IVF a KET.
Q: Kde si viesť cyklus a grafy ovulácie online?
A: V diskusii ženy používali FertilityFriend (FertilityFriend.com), spomínali funkcie ako Wall Of Fame a igame, a tiež si viesť záznamy ručne v kalendári.
Závery z diskusie
Zhoda
- Sledovanie ovulácie kombináciou LH testov, hlienu, krčka a bazálnej teploty je bežná a odporúčaná metóda pri snažení o dieťa.
- Andrologické vyšetrenie a spermiogram sú štandardné kroky pri podozrení na mužský faktor neplodnosti.
- Laparoskopia je považovaná za zlatý štandard pre potvrdenie endometriózy a určuje následnú liečbu.
Sporné názory
- Odpoveď na to, či cysta dáva hCG, bola rozdelená: jedna skupina uviedla, že len luteálna cysta môže produkovať hCG, iní poukazovali na to, že „cysta“ je širší pojem a treba rozlíšiť typy (folikulárna vs. luteálna vs. dermoidná).
- Odporúčaná dĺžka abstinencie pred spermiogramom bola spochybnená: niektorí odporúčajú max. 4–5 dní, iné ženy mali dobré výsledky aj pri abstinencii 10 dní alebo dlhšie.
Otvorené otázky
- Do akej miery u konkrétnej ženy pomôže stimulácia (pregnyl, Menopur) bez chirurgického zákroku na vaječníkoch so „skórnatými“ folikulmi?
- Kedy presne vyšetriť bolesť v podbrušku a či ide o cystu, močovú infekciu alebo iný gynekologický problém, keď sú tehotenské testy negatívne?
- Ako optimálne vyvážiť psychickú pohodu a snahy o otehotnenie, ak dlhodobé snaženie spôsobuje stres?
Spomenuté značky a firmy
dm, FertilityFriend, GRSWAN (grswan.cz), Martinus (martinus.sk), rajce.idnes.cz, Monural, Canesten, Optima, McDonald’s (Mekáč), T‑Mobile, Orange, Telekom (Magio)
Spomenuté produkty a metódy
tehotenský test (drogeria dm, 1,33€), Mama test, rapid test, ovulačný (OVU) test, LH test, meranie bazálnej teploty (BT), sledovanie hlienu a polohy krčka, FertilityFriend (online grafy, Wall Of Fame, igame), spermogram (SPG), andrologické vyšetrenie, laparoskopie (LSK), IVF, KET, Menopur (HMG), Pregnyl, Profasi, Pergonal, APL, Monural (jednorazový prášok na pitie), Canesten (lokálna liečba kvasiniek), Fostimon/Fostymon, Clostyl (klomifén), Duphaston, HAK (hormónalna antikoncepcia), HCG, onkomarkery
Miesta a osoby
Bojnice, Praha, Bratislava (BA), Košice (KE), Prešov, Martinus (knižný e‑predaj), Richard Müller
pekne moni peknucke, mne sa strasne pacia male detičky v rifliach alebo proste nohavkach s trakmi hihi
tini a čo iné.. jasné, že fazulkinu foto... xixi.. sa teším a čakám že čo to bude.... 😉 😀
no veď preto som po nich šla... krásne sú... 😀
Inak dosť dobré veci a dosť sa niektoré oplatia...
no bola som vo stvrtok a pytala sa dokyho ta ze on nerobi foto bo vraj to poistovna nepreplaca a niektore maminy nechcu foto ta ze by nadavali ze sa plati za utz. ale nastastie chodim este aj do nemocky na kontroly a tam to robia takze najblizsie 14.7. a to by sme uz mohli aj vedeiť čoto bude, ja uz som salena bo stale si myslim ze baba, na začiatku somsi bola ista ze chalan a uz neviem teraz hihi
tini ale dnes mozno ani bubák nebude a ja budem na teba myslieť.. aj dnes v nocisom myslela. ja by som sa sama doma pokakala od strachu a je mi jedno že máme pitbula... 😅
tini nechame sa prekvapiť.. ale ani si predstaviť nevieš aká som zvedáva... Včera som si po prvý raz (konecne som sa odvazila) pisala s kamočkou, ktorá mi pred týždnom oznamila že je tehu (mimochodom uz v 18tt) a ona že nechcu vediet.. no ona by aj hej, ale on nechce.. tak som ju spucovala, že nech ma nehneva, že ja chcem kupovat veci uz... tak ona ze spracoje stareho bo aj ona chce vediet.. inak oni sa poznaju rok a ked sa rozhodli ze chcu babo na prvy suk ho mali tam.... 😠
Ale prajem jej to... hlavne nech sa mi na SVK vráti, ale našťastie to plánujú...takže sa teším....
moni sa nech sa ona pyta čo čakaju a jemu nech nehovori hihi no to poznam na prvy sup to mala kamoska aj svagrina
no moni viem si to predstavit hihi ja tiez nic nekupujem uz bo neviem aku farbu hihi a nechcem mat vsetko zlte a zelene
no ta ja mam tiez dobru fantaziu ked som sama, sak včera som mala pocit ze sa tu dakto dobija a to asi holub bol, sak som tu aj písala hhi
hej hej citala som story o holubovi a jane pozerala draculu a tak som sa bala aaj za teba... 😀
Som jej aj ja vravela, že šak jemu nepovieme že vieme... 😀 😀 😀 No povedala, že ho prehovorí.. 😉
Dôfam... inak ja mám poslednú dobu (neviem prečo) takú potrebu kupovať ružovú... kuk na toto... aukcia konči o necelu hodinku...
http://www.mimiaukcie.sk/aukce.php?id=1096035
nie je to krásne..?
moni tu som len som si bola robit cajicek a teraz som musela docitat co ste popisali hehe tak to chvilu trvalo
jejky jejky, keby viem ze cakame dievku ta hned chcem hihi ale uz mam satky a este neviem pre koho budu hihi bo svagrina caka chlapca, neterke uz male
jaaaj uz vyhanam mm do sprchy nech mozeme ist pracovat na potomkovy 😀 ale on nie a nie sa odlepit od pc no hroza keby nebola zima tak sa povyzliekam a tak tu chodim aby mu doslo 😝
shaarka isla na kolacik ne? mi chute narobila, uz som volala mamke nech mi posle, oni maju kazdy vikend, len ten moj muzik pride az zajtra od nich ta mi nedonesie dnes. a mne sa neoplati robit kvoli par kuskom pre mna a nejaka kocka ma navnadila na palacinky na inej teme ale nastastie nemam nic skoro čo na nich treba ale nasla som zavarany ananas a slahacku a prave pasem jablko a odolavam ananasu
no lenci vzdy som hovorila ze mi je to jedno co bude prve, a v podstate aj je, kedze chceme este jedno ale do paru hihi ale teraz mam take odobie ze dievčatko chcem akosi ta uvidime
hehe tinika to mas tie tehotenske chutky? skoda ze si tak daleko by som ti tie palacinky dosla spravit alebo vies co je lepsie vafle mnamky take cerstve chrumkave
aj vafle su fajn, ale nemam vaflovac takze realnejsie su palacinky, ale aj tak ti dakujem, no ja mam take chute občas aj bezne ked tehu nie som ze by som zbodla na čo si spomeniem hihi
tini mam tam jednu auckiu rozbehnutu kde je niekolko kusov saticiek, tak ak vyhram a ty budes mat dievcatko poslem ti... krásne su niektoré... 😉
Leni sak vydrz trocha zimi 😀 😀 😀
hehe tinika tak to je jasne ze to je jedno hlavne nech to je zdrave ale viem podla seba ze tak v kutiku duse chcem prveho chlapca ale zas na druhej strane mi je to jedno hlavne nech uz je nieco v brusku 🙂
monika no asi ani ne teraz ze zas ide polievku tlacit do hlavy no hroza s tymi chlapmi
hihi moni ty si zlata no ja nekupujem aj pre to ze sa narodi v zime a netusim ake velke bude napr. v lete takze veci s kratkym rukavo, kratasy a saticky zatial nekupujem az na tie jedne čo som im neodolala
no leni tak ti to prajem aby si uz bola tehula aj vsetkym tu kockam
no ja tiez budem rada ze bude zdrave a aj keby boli dve kocky abo chlapi ta jedno, hlavne ze budu hihi hoci si skor myslim ze ak dva rovnake, tak chlapci budu hihi
dnesna davka tehu bacilov pre vas, podelte sa ako uznate za vhodne hihi
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hehe tinika dakujem ja po tej laparke som plna optimizmu ale viem ze z mesiaca na mesiac sa to bude vytracat ten moj optimizmus a nastupi pesimizmus....ale jedno viem ze dvojicky moc nechcem hoci mam na ne predpoklady v rodine ich mame hodne
no tak to je super hihi dvojky ani ja by som nechcela ale v rodine nemame, teda svagrina maju v rodine ale to je mimo mna hihi
ale minule mi ktosi vravel ze maju dvojcata a nemali v rodine predtym
ved hej dakde sa zacat musi xixixi ale ty dvojicky mat nebudes vsak to uz by bolo vidiet na sone vsak ?
lenus aj my mame predpoklady a aj mmm stále tvrdí že budú dvojičky...
Tini - ďakujem!!!!!! Mne stačí jeden riadok.... ostatné nechám aj babám... veď keď šťastie tak jeden riadok musí stačiť, nie? Som skromná.... 😀
A to oblečko chápem.. je tu múdre, ale tie šatočky sú aj väčšie.. no veď uvidí sa.... ke%d tak tak pošlem gaťuše... 😉
jo jasne ze jedno hihi ale napr. svagrina ma dvoch bratov, jeden ma dceru, svagrina ma dcéru a druhy brat cakaju jedno. ta som zvedava kto bude mat dvojky potom hihi
dám asi setre nech malý donosí... 😉